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I’m with TalkTalk - Why can’t I switch?

Dear Simon, I recently tried to switch our landline phone to YoursCalls.net but the switch was refused because we are with TalkTalk.

I don’t understand why this is a problem. Our phone line is a normal landline to an old copper cable on a pole outside our house.

When we moved here we were with BT, but we switched to TalkTalk because they promised us they could provide us with broadband and home phone. However, our village is too far from the exchange and the lines are too old, so we can not get broadband - an engineer confirmed this. We have had to make do just with the phone (even though we pay for both services) and now the contract is up, we would like to switch.

We feel absolutely cheated. Are we stuck with TalkTalk forever, or can we switch to another provider?

Please help!

Bronwyn Johnston, Pontefract, via email, Updated: Wednesday 18 January, 2012

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Our expert says...

Hello Bronwyn, this is a really interesting question, and I’m sure many consumers have experienced a similar problem when trying to switch - thanks for contacting Homephonechoices.co.uk.

Some home phone providers, such as TalkTalk (www.talktalk.co.uk) and Sky (www.sky.com) offer their home phone and broadband services on a separate network to the BT network. This is called unbundling, or LLU.

If you’re switching from an LLU provider back to a standard home phone provider, like YourCalls.net or Primus, then your new connection will use a completely different technology, so you will have to be manually returned to the BT network before your new connection can be set up - either by BT or by another provider.

However not all providers will offer this service, and many (especially the smaller providers) don’t accept switches from customers on an LLU network. And for the providers that do take switches from a household on an LLU, there could be a reactivation or switching charge. Read more information below…

What is LLU unbundling?

Most broadband is carried on BT’s network, as it is the heritage provider in the UK. Other companies, such as TalkTalk and Sky have established their own networks, to offer customers cheaper broadband and home phone services.

Creating these networks involves a wire in the local phone exchange being taken out of the BT plug and stuck into the plug of the new provider. This is what is known as local loop unbundling, or LLU.

Read our guide on Broadbanchoices.co.uk for more information on LLU unbundling.

Switching your phone line from an LLU provider

In terms of switching your home phone service to YourCalls.net (www.yourcalls.net), YourCalls.net has said you will first have to rejoin the BT network. The company doesn’t accept switches from customers unless they are on the BT network.

However, you don’t have to necessarily switch back to BT. Ofcom, the telecommunications regulator said that it is up to the consumer which provider they want to switch to, however not all communications providers will offer the opportunity to switch over an LLU customer, even though they can.

Ofcom suggests other providers that you may be able to switch to, such as the Post Office and satellite TV provider Sky (www.sky.com), although this is up to the individual providers’ discretion.

You also need to be aware that if you’re going to switch your service back to a standard provider, then your phone line will probably have to be reactivated by BT or whoever you choose to switch to. This could cost as much as £130. The Post Office (www.postoffice.co.uk) for example, charges £112.34 to reconnect an LLU customer back onto the BT network.

You could also consider switching to another provider, such as Plusnet, which is currently charging customers £49.99 to migrate to its service.

This will also mean entering another 12 or 18-month contract with your chosen supplier, so it’s important you switch to one that’s going to suit your needs. Things to consider are:

  • Calls package - Do you make evening, weekend or daytime calls?
  • International calls - Which countries do you call the most?
  • Mobile calls - Which networks do you call?
  • Calls to 0845 and 0870 numbers - Do you make a lot of these?
  • Broadband - Would you save money by bundling your broadband and home phone?

Hope this information is helpful Bronwyn, and good luck with the switch!

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Paul Gopal-Chowdhury, London England

Now been tryng to move from talk talk to first Orange had to cancel was unsuccessfuul. Now trying to move back to BT. HAVE BEEN BATTLING WITH THIS FOR 5 WEEKS Each Co blames the other its a joke! - Jun 28 2011 8:26PM
john wilson, barnsley uk

I was originally with Virgin for my bb and phone but 3 years ago I switched to sky and BT for my phones, I pay BT a line rental and sky for my broadband. I have now decided to switch to an LLU provider to combine calls and bb in one package. They have said because the telephone number was originally with virgin (but now with BT) I cannot go on LLU but will have to pay seperate bb and line rental adding around £9 a month to the LLU price.
How is this so when I am with BT and it is an LLU exchange, the new supplier ( Utility Warehouse said I can get LLU but I will loose my number and I will have to pay £70 to be provisioned with a new number even though I already have a BT line.
- Nov 2 2010 4:36PM
garry Fawcett, Huddersfield

I am thinking about changing my telephone provider to Your Calls.I am with Pipex at the moment but have just been informed that they have been taken over by talk talk.I have not signed any documents yet which I should receive this week I am told - Feb 22 2010 4:25PM
Mr C A Rumsey, England

i swutcg to talk talk this year jan 8 2010 cause of sales man told me i can talk unlimited with my parent and friends to nepal i make sure to told him to my contrey code is 00977 snd this contry is in betwieen china and india please send me while u send me welcome psck but he did not sent me i thought nepal is free i started to talk with my parrent and friend in nepal now bill is coming moor then 100 pound i speek with costomer service they are not help fult they told me nepal is not includade their free contry but whild sels man ring me and i took contract that time he told me clearley nepal is free . now i am trying to swithch another provider but i have to stay in contract or pay 100s of pound to reconect i dont no what is best for me and i am onley the person to look aftar children and family in my family and i cant afford to pay that much talk talk b ill could u please suggest me what to do thank u
bj
- Feb 5 2010 9:14PM
bigyan joshi, stockport

I am looking for a phone provider for cheap calls from landline to mobile numbers in the UK
Can you recommend a company.
I could only find someone like BT who charges 12 to 15p a minute
Thanks for your help== Ralph
- Jan 7 2010 5:54PM
Ralph rossi, London

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Brian, Bournemouth

Hello,
I am at present with talk talk how much will it cost me to return to BT
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robert powis, Chorley

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David Clark, Ringwood

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